Scott Hanselman

These announcements seem to be out of sync with the actual podcasts?!?
I listened to the Rocky Lhotka show a few days ago and iTunes says the new one is on outsourcing...

PS. What a lousy idea to interrupt the show with a commercial. Of course if that's what it takes to keep the show running we must live with it, but it really breaks the conversation and makes me loose the line of thinking you so nicely build up during an interview.

It was great to hear Rocky's take on LINQ to SQL. I've found it frustrating that so many demos treat the LINQ to SQL "objects" as first-class objects to be bound to and used by the UI. Rocky's description of them as nothing more than a representation of the data, to be copied into the "real" objects, really gelled with me.

Scott,

Money interview with Rocky, I've read a couple of his books and always appreciated his "object as center of the universe" (as he put it) perspective. He's had a heavy influence on my designs, and it's always worth while to pause when new technologies like linq come out and wonder "where does this belong?".

I really enjoyed the part of the conversation that floated around the creation of "Conceptual" objects, that is those that are driven by use cases and are often not 1:1 with the data store. The bitch of the matter is that it's basically impossible to generate these objects (at least w/out some pretty detailed mapping files), and so you inevitably end up getting your hands dirty and writing some code. I have to admit I'm a huge fan of code generation (CodeSmith in particular) and have often had to compromise with a model that is a lot more 1:1 with the datastore then I would like it to be.

I'm hoping that the Entity Framework finally solves this, I've been playing with the beta and it's promising. If they would just include a rule validation engine and authorization engine in the generated code (or allow you to map them in with xml attributes in mapping files) I think we might finally get the silver bullet of ORM (at least IMO).

Keep 'em coming man I really enjoyed this one.

Best,
Tyler

Damn you, Hanselman! You've made a podcast addict out of me!

I'm a longtime listener, and really enjoy the podcasts, however I am getting very close to unsubscribing because of the advert interruptions in the middle of the show -- they totally destroy the flow :-(

I really enjoyed this podcast, Scott. I'm a relatively new Hanselminutes listener, and this is one of my favorites so far. I've heard Rocky speak at a couple of VSLive events and enjoyed his talks. I found the interaction between the two of you very interesting. He comes across as more of the old-school kind of guy who seizes new technology and bolts it on to his existing framework. I thought you made some valid points about the case for using MVC and questioning where CSLA .NET fits into that.

That being said, I do think there are cases where CSLA would be a great tool.

Keep up the great work!

Not a big fan of Rocky myself... the whole CSLA approach just rubs me the wrong way. It doesn't fit at all in a service oriented world... Of course, maybe that's because I'm working with a company right now that totally bought into CSLA and Rocky's approach, hired a few consultants from Magenic, and ended up with an impossible to maintain code base full of bloat and questionable practices. Admittedly, CSLA wasn't the only problem, but it definitely contributed to some very poor archectural decisions and massive memory problems.