Announcing .NET 2015 - .NET as Open Source, .NET on Mac and Linux, and Visual Studio Community
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It's happening. It's the reason that a lot of us came to work for Microsoft, and I think it's both the end of an era but also the beginning of amazing things to come.
The .NET 2015 wave of releases is upon us. Here's what's happening and we announced it today in New York. There's a lot here, so drink it all in slowly.
Be sure to check out all the blog posts I'm linking to at the end, but here's my personal rollup and take on the situation.
- We are serious about open source and cross platform.
- .NET Core 5 is the modern, componentized framework that ships via NuGet. That means you can ship a private version of the .NET Core Framework with your app. Other apps' versions can't change your app's behavior.
- We are building a .NET Core CLR for Windows, Mac and Linux and it will be both open source and it will be supported by Microsoft. It'll all happen at https://github.com/dotnet.
- We are open sourcing the RyuJit and the .NET GC and making them both cross-platform.
- ASP.NET 5 will work everywhere.
- ASP.NET 5 will be available for Windows, Mac, and Linux. Mac and Linux support will come soon and it's all going to happen in the open on GitHub at https://github.com/aspnet.
- ASP.NET 5 will include a web server for Mac and Linux called kestrel built on libuv. It's similar to the one that comes with node, and you could front it with Nginx for production, for example.
- Developers should have a great experience.
- There is a new FREE SKU for Visual Studio for open source developers and students called Visual Studio Community. It supports extensions and lots more all in one download. This is not Express. This is basically Pro.
- Visual Studio 2015 and ASP.NET 5 will support gulp, grunt, bower and npm for front end developers.
- A community team (including myself and Sayed from the ASP.NET and web tools team) have created the OmniSharp organization along with the Kulture build system as a way to bring real Intellisense to Sublime, Atom, Brackets, Vim, and Emacs on Windows, Linux, and Mac. Check out http://www.omnisharp.net as well as blog posts by team members Jonathan Channon
- Even more open source.
- Much of the .NET Core Framework 4.6 and its Reference Source source is going on GitHub. It's being relicensed under the MIT license, so Mono (and you!) can use that source code in their .NET implementations.
- There's a new hub for Microsoft open source that is hosted GitHub at http://microsoft.github.io.
Open sourcing .NET makes good sense. It makes good business sense, good community sense, and today everyone at Microsoft see this like we do.
Related Links
- Download Visual Studio 2013 Update 4
- Download Visual Studio 2015 Preview
- Soma’s blog post
- Brian Harry blog post
- Visual Studio roll-up blog
- On-demand videos
- Visual Studio Community
- Download Visual Studio Ultimate 2015 Preview
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November 12, 2014 19:38
Wow, this is huge!
Marius Schulz
This really is incredible stuff. The Community Edition SKU, The work you guys are doing with Xamarin on Mono.
I've never been so excited to work in this field. :)
I've never been so excited to work in this field. :)
Congratuations, Scott! I know you and your team have been advocating for this direction for a long time.
Does this mean that ASP.NET will run under Apache? I'm so accustomed to thinking of ASP.NET and IIS to being tightly coupled.
Does this mean that ASP.NET will run under Apache? I'm so accustomed to thinking of ASP.NET and IIS to being tightly coupled.
This is great news, Looking forward to moving .net applications onto Linux!
Its probably worth mentioning the .NET Foundation as the stewards of these projects and their site being the place to start with if you want to contribute.
I'm loving the direction that .NET is going and with that we may one day even be more of a first class citizen in the Linux landscape. (Not that mono is bad as is, its just not been given as much love in the past as I would have liked)
I'm loving the direction that .NET is going and with that we may one day even be more of a first class citizen in the Linux landscape. (Not that mono is bad as is, its just not been given as much love in the past as I would have liked)
Wow, the future of .NET looks promising!
Can you elaborate? Are there any differences between Community and Pro other than the usage restrictions?
Is there a way to download Community as an ISO or other full installer?
[Community] is basically Pro
Can you elaborate? Are there any differences between Community and Pro other than the usage restrictions?
Is there a way to download Community as an ISO or other full installer?
I could not be happier about this. Something tells me Scott is hugely responsible for making Microsoft take this move ;)
Thank you Scott and thank you Microsoft for believing in open source!
Thank you Scott and thank you Microsoft for believing in open source!
My Macbook has just become a lot more useful. Hello Sublime Text and ASP.NET on OS X!
This is fantastic! I am more excited about the future of ASP.NET than I have been in years. I'm very impressed with the open processes and open source license of the web stack in addition to all the technology improvements. Been enjoying the vnext standup videos on youtube and playing with the previous ctps. Glad the vs2015 preview aka the "beeta" is now available :-D
The unification of mvc and web api is beautiful, and the ability to bin deploy the core framework means no more worry about what version is installed at the web hosting environment. That alone is huge.
Keep up the great work, this is going to be the most exciting release in the history of asp.net when the final bits ship next year!
Thanks to you and all the teams doing this great work!
The unification of mvc and web api is beautiful, and the ability to bin deploy the core framework means no more worry about what version is installed at the web hosting environment. That alone is huge.
Keep up the great work, this is going to be the most exciting release in the history of asp.net when the final bits ship next year!
Thanks to you and all the teams doing this great work!
It was a hard wait during the 7 months after MS Build, but well worth it. I wonder all the time if we'll ever see Visual Studio for the Mac. I had my doubts in the past as the only advantage would be when using the Xamarin extension which wasn't free. But with Xamarin Starter supporting Visual Studio CE, and with .NET coming to the Mac from Microsoft I can't help but think maybe that's the next step. There is a new build of Office for the Mac coming soon so who knows?
This info should have been released on April 1st. ;) Good move microsoft.
we can expect .net as the #1 platform in a few years. bad news for oracle & java
The image also says "Windows Forms". Does that mean something like Xamarin provides (native UI for each platform) is supported, too?
Simply, Wow. Congrats to everyone at Microsoft who pushed for it.
Ugh brain cannot parse - missing a closing bracket:
Ugh brain cannot parse - missing a closing bracket:
A community team (including myself and Sayed ...
@Gordon Check out the FAQ's on this page for usage details.
http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs
http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs
Can you elaborate what does it mean "non-enterprise application development" for Visual Studio Community? Maybe separate blog post :)
The info about Emacs is great!
The info about Emacs is great!
The graphic says that .NET Framework 4.6 includes WPF. Does that imply that WPF will be supported on Linux/Mac, too?
This is huge! Finally, 1st class support for .NET on Mac and Linux. Plus Intellisense for Sublime and vim!
Now, if I could only manage Windows through SSH, scripts and Puppet/Chef as I can easily on Mac and Linux.
Is VS still a dependency for building ASP.NET projects? In .NET 2015, can I now finally create a functional build machine without installing VS shell?
Now, if I could only manage Windows through SSH, scripts and Puppet/Chef as I can easily on Mac and Linux.
Is VS still a dependency for building ASP.NET projects? In .NET 2015, can I now finally create a functional build machine without installing VS shell?
I guess you could say that releasing .NET as open source is... .NEAT.
>> Can you elaborate what does it mean "non-enterprise application development" for Visual Studio Community? Maybe separate blog post :)
I dont have the link, but read somewhere.
- Any company with > 250 employees is considered enterprise.
- any company with <= 5 developers can use it even for commercial purpose.
I dont have the link, but read somewhere.
- Any company with > 250 employees is considered enterprise.
- any company with <= 5 developers can use it even for commercial purpose.
Great forward steps, been waiting for this and I know you and many others have pushed for it Scott. Nice work! This is going to make the cross-platform story so much better!
Microsoft is great and awesome!
I'm wondering why Xamarin doesn't offer it for free at least for individual developers (http://blog.xamarin.com/microsoft-and-xamarin-expand-global-partnership/). Xamarin is just focusing on earning money form individual developers. They don't see the community or ecosystem around it.
I'm wondering why Xamarin doesn't offer it for free at least for individual developers (http://blog.xamarin.com/microsoft-and-xamarin-expand-global-partnership/). Xamarin is just focusing on earning money form individual developers. They don't see the community or ecosystem around it.
This is really huge and big change congrats
Are ASP.NET 4 projects upgradeable to ASP.NET 5?
Are ASP.NET 4 projects upgradeable to ASP.NET 5?
oh that's cool news and gonna enter new world of dot net. I never experienced in this technology but now it's really promising.
Microsoft, y u no distribute big ISOs via bit-torrent protocol? I'm downloading VS2015 Preview by http protocol with speed 80 KB/s.
@Scott, the link to Visual Studio Community seems to be wrong (it's pointing to the Update 4?)
It should be http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs
It should be http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs
On the day they land a space craft on a comet, this is the most exciting news I've heard!
Wow - this is an industry changing event potentially, and will certainly bring a new wave of developers across to .NET
Oh my... Finally! Absolutely Huge, Fantastic and Great! that is why I love Microsoft... Thanks
I don't understand the bit about the web server for linux and mac? To run an asp.net mvc application on linux, we will need a web server. What will that be? Will it be the equivalent of jetty for java?
Is Microsoft's strategy to lose massive amounts of windows server and sql server revenue and base their revenue on a more sustainable approach such as selling visual studio and other developer tools? Why would anyone chose windows server?
Will entity framework and mysql work on linux and perform as well as java / hibernate / mysql?
I am a little skeptical at this stage.
Is Microsoft's strategy to lose massive amounts of windows server and sql server revenue and base their revenue on a more sustainable approach such as selling visual studio and other developer tools? Why would anyone chose windows server?
Will entity framework and mysql work on linux and perform as well as java / hibernate / mysql?
I am a little skeptical at this stage.
VS是宇宙第一的开发工具，.NET是宇宙最好的平台
VSは宇宙初の開発ツールで、.NETは最適なプラットフォームの宇宙である
VS is the universe's first development tool, .NET is the best platform universe.
VSは宇宙初の開発ツールで、.NETは最適なプラットフォームの宇宙である
VS is the universe's first development tool, .NET is the best platform universe.
Oh and Azure revenue as well - assuming it has any chance against AWS.
This is just awesome! Microsoft finally headed in right direction.
Great and looking forward to visual studio 2015 ultimate and ... and ... everthing.
Which .NET APIs will be missing from the open sourced version? I would assume that at least System.Windows.Forms and WPS will not be ported to Linux, is that right? Will there be other APIs that remain exclusive to Windows?
Wow this is epic! I've never been more proud to be a .NET developer than today. This is truly remarkable.
WOW!
Proud to be .net developer. Now on the hardware of my MacBook Pro again.
Proud to be .net developer. Now on the hardware of my MacBook Pro again.
Awesome work from you guys!! Really exciting time.
I have one question. Eclipse is one of most popular editors so does Omnisharp foundation have plan to create a plugin for .NET development there?
I have one question. Eclipse is one of most popular editors so does Omnisharp foundation have plan to create a plugin for .NET development there?
This news is so big it would be useful to know What this news does't include' EG .Net doesn't encompass WinRT/XAML, differences in VSPro and new Community edition etc.
It's a lot to take in.
Thanks 😊
It's a lot to take in.
Thanks 😊
This is great news!
Do you know if Xamarin Forms XAML intellisense will work in one of the new VS versions? The Xamarin guys always make excuses that Microsoft has to implement something for it to work.
See http://forums.xamarin.com/discussion/17393/xaml-intellisense
There was no new info in the last 5 months.
Do you know if Xamarin Forms XAML intellisense will work in one of the new VS versions? The Xamarin guys always make excuses that Microsoft has to implement something for it to work.
See http://forums.xamarin.com/discussion/17393/xaml-intellisense
There was no new info in the last 5 months.
Ian Walker,
more info on the community edition can be found at http://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/visual-studio-community-vs.
Q: How does Visual Studio Community 2013 compare to other Visual Studio editions?
A: Visual Studio Community 2013 includes all the great functionality of Visual Studio Professional 2013, designed and optimized for individual developers, students, open source contributors, and small teams.
more info on the community edition can be found at http://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/visual-studio-community-vs.
Q: How does Visual Studio Community 2013 compare to other Visual Studio editions?
A: Visual Studio Community 2013 includes all the great functionality of Visual Studio Professional 2013, designed and optimized for individual developers, students, open source contributors, and small teams.
It is a great news.
Thanks Microsoft for demolishing the barriers.
It will be fun. I have started visualizing my ASP.NET blog running on Linux server. Did I hear it correctly?
Thanks Microsoft for demolishing the barriers.
It will be fun. I have started visualizing my ASP.NET blog running on Linux server. Did I hear it correctly?
I've never witnessed a Microsoft make so many correct of what I feel are good decisions consecutively.
Will we be hearing any more about M# soon? ;-)
Keep it up!
Will we be hearing any more about M# soon? ;-)
Keep it up!
Oops, completely forgot to remove the word "correct" from my last comment. Proof reading - a skill not yet mastered.
perhaps a stupid question, but can I install vs2015 side by side with vs2013 update4? or are there people who can confirm that it is no problem?
its a great news. hope so know we can create more 0365 apps for android and IOS.
Bringing the power of .NET to Linux and Mac, open sourcing it and the ability to use Visual Studio Community is an absolute game changer. Thank you so much for this Microsoft! I love you guys!
Scott, do you know when will be available localized ISOs of Visual Studio Community Edition?
Microsoft is moving to open source that's great news..and now it has a community that no any other technologies have in future..:)
Great keep it on...
Great keep it on...
Microsoft is moving to open source that's great news. This will provide a wide range of programming and innovations
Thank you Guys
Thank you Guys
Very cool. You even broke Morning Brew, Scott.
Of course, you guys are so not helping me decide what to do for my next development hardware. But I love this move. This is how you win in the developer community.
I'm also glad you let Sayed outside once in a while. We were getting worried about him.
Of course, you guys are so not helping me decide what to do for my next development hardware. But I love this move. This is how you win in the developer community.
I'm also glad you let Sayed outside once in a while. We were getting worried about him.
I have small question. Does Visual Studio 2013 Community edition required registration? I have installed Visual studio trial edition and it get expired and then I install express edition and it is also not working. Today after uninstall Visual studio 2013 profession trail , I tried to install Community edition but it is still asking me for registration.
This is great news, but for someone who dropped $500 on a legit version of VS 2013 Pro a few months ago I'm wondering what if any differences there are between it and the 'community' edition. I see VS 2013 Pro is still for sale in the Microsoft store. Is there any reason for someone to ever buy the pro edition again?
I see VS 2013 Pro is still for sale in the Microsoft store. Is there any reason for someone to ever buy the pro edition again?
Yes, Enterprise users. >5 Developers, >1$MM/a or >250 employees are not allowed to use the Community Edition (except e.g. academic use)...
@JP: I was searching for an answer for this question too and as far as I found out it will not run side-by-side...
Great news!!
I wonder what the impact on the programming world would be if they open sourced VB6 also. LOL!
I wonder what the impact on the programming world would be if they open sourced VB6 also. LOL!
This is crazy! Waited years for it. I wonder how they will run asp.net on linux. As an apache extension? ISS for linux? :D
Very cool - but now I regret buying a copy of Professional for myself back in March. Probably way too late to get a refund...
I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth, but isn't this a case of the right hand giving and the left hand taking away? I am assuming Express just goes away or never gets a new release...is that correct? I can imagine there are plenty of cases where people were happily using Express for free and now they will need to pay for MSDN/Pro because they don't fit the licensing terms for the new free offering of the Community Edition.
For me personally as a solo business of one developer it is all good. But I do believe there is a downside for some people here.
For me personally as a solo business of one developer it is all good. But I do believe there is a downside for some people here.
Great news for .net community and Microsoft, as it will be good for the future of both. Its right direction for sure. Some of the big organizations are seriously thinking of moving away from Microsoft or rather could say adopting open source more and more, due to cost factors and many of these open source are quite compitative compare to licensed products. Well done Microsoft!
It would be really great if Microsoft would buy Xamarin and begin merging it ever more closely into Visual Studio. I think Xamarin looks really promising but for programmer hobbyists who want to get into cross-platform development using Visual Studio, the price of the Xamarin Business Subscription is prohibitive. There have been some great moves this week from Microsoft. I think they've finally got it into their head that the only way they're going to attract developers is to make the development process pretty much free as is the case with Ellipse for Android, and Xcode for iOS. Microsoft really needs to do something here to remove the cost barrier of doing cross-platform development in Visual Studio with Xamarin. I'm just not going to pay for a Xamarin subscription just to mess about with cross-platform development in Visual Studio, so my first reaction is to write the code in Xamarin Studio instead of Visual Studio, which is a big shame because I like Visual Studio a great deal and have spent years building up my skills there. Microsoft, you are on the right track, now keep going and remove this barrier!!!
Hey Scott, thanks for sharing this today at DevIntersect. Cool stuff. I'm curious though - how is VS2015 (using the Azure image) executing npm and bower commands? I didn't install them and trying to run npm or bower manually doesn't work, but I can see bower packages updating and grunt tasks running.
Thanks Scott and Microsoft, open sourcing .NET and vNext for web development is a massive leap in the right direction!
Great work, kudos to the team, Scott can walk proudly on the street :) . Waiting to see VS on mac.
Great Job & Great news for MS Team ..wahhhhhh....Too late, but still awesome! Thanks MS FOR VS 2015!
Sure it is a nice move, the problem is, it is far easier to open source framework, than to gain trust. And with all MS history while I was reading your post I was looking for fine print -- "where is the catch".
Wow, this is soooo aweseome! I'm so filled with excitement and joy right now being a .NET developer. Really enjoyed your presentation - the minecraft Azure showed a nice analogy of this excitement for development and how this excitement exists for others.
Sorry already invested so much in Ruby, Microsoft is always late 5 years ...
But good news since I have an old project on .net which I have to maintain.
But good news since I have an old project on .net which I have to maintain.
I hope that the next step will be Visual Studio Managed which runs on Linux and Mac.
Good job.
Good job.
Would be nice if kestrel ran in Ubuntu 14.04.1. Installing mono 3.10.0 and following the readme for aspnet, when you try to run k kestrel from the terminal, there is a System.NullReferenceException. I thought that maybe I could just build libuv, which I tried, and then just rename it to libuv.dylib, but no dice. Would be great to get this working in the latest LTS release.
Great news! I wonder it won't take too long for Xamarin tools to get merged in the VS ecosystem. Microsoft should work in direction of providing such cross platform mobile development feature using .NET at an affordable license cost or may be included without any additional fees within VS itself.
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@gustavo :
http://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/download-visual-studio-vs
you scroll to Community 2013 with Update 4 and you download :)
http://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/download-visual-studio-vs
you scroll to Community 2013 with Update 4 and you download :)
I'm not seeing support for Micro Framework in VS Community 2013. Is it there?
Link: VS Community 2013
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=517284
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=517284
I love this Microsoft. Thank you guys(all who where/are behind this revolutionary effort) for making this happen. Every single one of you are Che Guevara.
Ohhh....Wow!!!!! I am just thrilled to hear this GREEAAAATTTTTTTT news!!! Kudos to Windows team. Finally they have opened there eyes (and the source code) to the every second changing world!
This is going to boost many programmers like me and I believe .NET is going to sweep anything and everything on it way, with the power of C (yeah, I meant C as that is the mother of ALL languages and software tools in the world. :))
This is going to boost many programmers like me and I believe .NET is going to sweep anything and everything on it way, with the power of C (yeah, I meant C as that is the mother of ALL languages and software tools in the world. :))
Mono project can now migrate efforts on multi-lingual ParrotVM or something. :D
This is awesome!!! Thank you Microsoft :) and thank you Scott for keeping us all informed.
Very Impressive move. I really expect good things to happen to all us.
Can't wait to have a linux VPS with asp.net mvc running on it!
This is awesome news. It would surely strengthen .Net occupancy in the market.
A few months back I was thinking about making a move from .NET to Java (after working with .NET for 10 years). Simply because it's open source, has a great portable ecosystem, and a lot of great frameworks. Only thing holding me back (a little) was Java itself. It's way too verbose. And while languages like Scala are truly great, the tooling is very poor (and there aren't much Scala jobs right now).
In my country (the Netherlands) it's pretty much .NET or Java if you want a decent paying developer job.
Anyways.. this really changes things for me. .NET going open source and Visual Studio Community Edition is exactly what I need. It will drive .NET forward and hopefully create the same great open source ecosystem Java has.
Visual Studio Community Edition for the Mac would completely seal the deal for me and make me forget about Java :P Sublime is nice (played around with it for Scala), but it can't compete with a full blown IDE.
ASP.Net 5 here I come :-)
In my country (the Netherlands) it's pretty much .NET or Java if you want a decent paying developer job.
Anyways.. this really changes things for me. .NET going open source and Visual Studio Community Edition is exactly what I need. It will drive .NET forward and hopefully create the same great open source ecosystem Java has.
Visual Studio Community Edition for the Mac would completely seal the deal for me and make me forget about Java :P Sublime is nice (played around with it for Scala), but it can't compete with a full blown IDE.
ASP.Net 5 here I come :-)
Why is programs like NPM and bower installed? Are these not just package managers? i.e. wouldn't Nuget handle this?
Scrap that last comment, i just found this: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/IntroducingGulpGruntBowerAndNpmSupportForVisualStudio.aspx
remember kids, do your homework!
remember kids, do your homework!
From http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs
Q: Who can use Visual Studio Community?
A: Here’s how individual developers can use Visual Studio Community:
Any individual developer can use Visual Studio Community to create their own free or paid apps.
Can anyone please explain the meaning of 'their own apps' mentioned in the answer
Q: Who can use Visual Studio Community?
A: Here’s how individual developers can use Visual Studio Community:
Any individual developer can use Visual Studio Community to create their own free or paid apps.
Can anyone please explain the meaning of 'their own apps' mentioned in the answer
This means I get to code in my faviorate language C# for next foreseeable future AND target all environments. This is more than MASSIVE.
Thank You!
When will we see Visual Studio on OSX? Was VS ever rewritten on top of the .NET CLR? If so, the port of VS to OSX should be easy right?
A move like that shouldn't hurt the bottom line, just opens up a sales channel to mac centric shops (like majority of developers today)...The folks who buy corporate VS licenses will and those who wouldn't will continue not to. All I see is win for Microsoft if they release VS for the OSX platform.
When will we see Visual Studio on OSX? Was VS ever rewritten on top of the .NET CLR? If so, the port of VS to OSX should be easy right?
A move like that shouldn't hurt the bottom line, just opens up a sales channel to mac centric shops (like majority of developers today)...The folks who buy corporate VS licenses will and those who wouldn't will continue not to. All I see is win for Microsoft if they release VS for the OSX platform.
FINALLY !! This is really great NEWS .
.NET Resources will be BACK IN DEMAND . WOOOOOOOHO
.NET Resources will be BACK IN DEMAND . WOOOOOOOHO
Great. Now if we could get Microsoft to port Windows Explorer to Mac.
This is great I love the direction .NET is heading, this opens up my c# skills to other platforms without as many complications.
I get why Winforms isn't going cross platform with all the PInvokes etc. But I really hope there is some consideration to making XAML cross platform. If we get this it could be a huge boost to modern app development. I would certainly be developing in a Windows first way.
I get why Winforms isn't going cross platform with all the PInvokes etc. But I really hope there is some consideration to making XAML cross platform. If we get this it could be a huge boost to modern app development. I would certainly be developing in a Windows first way.
Cant wait to develop on an asp.net project on my MBP. Will it run under Apache?
Great!
It's right direction, sure. Once again I would love to appreciate this step.
It's right direction, sure. Once again I would love to appreciate this step.
I was looking what .Net was a few days ago! I really like your blog altough I don't speak English properly.
Great move Microsoft bravo!,
Apparently Microsoft is heading towards right direction with Satya's leadership.
When it comes to development that has been always pain for us to convince technology directors to use Microsoft technologies especially in some organizations and where I work, managers are religiously against Microsoft without considering requirements, performance and reliability. Their biggest argument was of denying use of .net was because it is not cross platform (of course there was mono but who really uses it ?).
Finally, everyday day more Java based open source libraries are ported to C# and remember biggest strength of Java is having loads of open source libraries and being a cross platform, considering the fact C# is more advance and developer friendly than java. Being cross platform will step down Java from popularity amongst open source folks.
Apparently Microsoft is heading towards right direction with Satya's leadership.
When it comes to development that has been always pain for us to convince technology directors to use Microsoft technologies especially in some organizations and where I work, managers are religiously against Microsoft without considering requirements, performance and reliability. Their biggest argument was of denying use of .net was because it is not cross platform (of course there was mono but who really uses it ?).
Finally, everyday day more Java based open source libraries are ported to C# and remember biggest strength of Java is having loads of open source libraries and being a cross platform, considering the fact C# is more advance and developer friendly than java. Being cross platform will step down Java from popularity amongst open source folks.
I know that must be a big challenge but a Linux and MAC versions would be awesome.
Wow. If I didn't already have VS2013 I would be all over this community edition. I am curious what will happen in the future. Will there by a community edition for 2015?
Hi Scott I have a weird problem . I had a trial version of vs 2013 on my computer and that trial expired . I removed the trial and installed the community edition , but when I open VS , it shows me the message that my trial has ended and I can't use vs.
What can I do to solve this?
What can I do to solve this?
Scott, does this mean Windows Live Writer will finally be open sourced as well?
Please say yes... :)
Please say yes... :)
not so soon, I'm a little bit skeptical about this move. assume Microsoft open source the whole .net totally free(similar to java) how about giants how accustomed to php/ruby/java? think about oridinary web servers, Cpanel/WHM for example. do you think they will integrate with .net so fast?
what kind of web server will support asp.net? apache?nginx?lighthttpd?
but if thats gonna happen java will lose the ground tremendously.
what kind of web server will support asp.net? apache?nginx?lighthttpd?
but if thats gonna happen java will lose the ground tremendously.
Anyone considering developing a client-side csharprazorscript runtime plugin to replace all of those client-side pseudo programming language?
Cats and dogs. Cats and dogs. I love how the length of this post contrasts with the magnitude of what it reports.
No VS2015 support for Win10,WTF! how much more of team Metro uppercase do we have to suffer, other than those clowns, MS has indeed made some great moves lately, the open source of .Net is a milestone in computer science thank you so much!
My company have 4 employees. We are new and we are building enterprise web apps and web sites generally.
Can somebody just confirm me that I understand all well:
We can use VS in our company without any charge right?
Can somebody just confirm me that I understand all well:
We can use VS in our company without any charge right?
Java has ecosystem, which is quite big and not dominated by a central body as it is for dot net.
There are not many efforts outside microsoft, which is that big. If it was, nothing was stopping mono project becoming big.
Microsoft is THE cenral body which decides what goes on here.
There are not many efforts outside microsoft, which is that big. If it was, nothing was stopping mono project becoming big.
Microsoft is THE cenral body which decides what goes on here.
Is there going to be a Community Edition/MSDN subscription to provide Community users a Azure bundle?? Something less expensive than the current Pro/MSDN option??
@Roland @bmg
MyShuttle source code is over at MSDN Samples (https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/MyShuttle-demo-applications-1a4b68fe)
MyShuttle source code is over at MSDN Samples (https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/MyShuttle-demo-applications-1a4b68fe)
Hey Scott! Awesome stuff :)
Are there any login problems with the Community Edition of VS?
No matter how hard I try I cannot login using my MS account:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pyctfdn6m1xl4ve/Screenshot%202014-12-03%2008.05.43.png?dl=0
Are there any login problems with the Community Edition of VS?
No matter how hard I try I cannot login using my MS account:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pyctfdn6m1xl4ve/Screenshot%202014-12-03%2008.05.43.png?dl=0
Hi Scott,
I used to use Visual Studio Ultimate + MSDN, and might have used Visual Studio Professional Trial (I don't remember exactly). Today, I have installed Visual Studio Community 2013 on a fresh PC and it stuck with "The license is expired" window.
What's wrong with that?
I used to use Visual Studio Ultimate + MSDN, and might have used Visual Studio Professional Trial (I don't remember exactly). Today, I have installed Visual Studio Community 2013 on a fresh PC and it stuck with "The license is expired" window.
What's wrong with that?
This is really amazing. I mean, I never thought Microsoft would open source .NET Framework. I'm quite curious about what the strategic reason is for Microsoft to move toward this direction. How will it benefit Microsoft as a company that actually need to make share holders happy?
Great news. Mono has been filling the cross-platform space for .NET for some years, but without the resources of Microsoft. As someone who plays in both the JVM and .NET arenas, I would love to see the JVM-level of robustness and scalability available on OSX and Linux.
The mono team has done a great job, but their VM is lacking in terms of GC performance on large-memory footprints and various subtle threading issues (thread starvation, etc). I would hope that Microsoft's generational GC would be included in a merge of the Mono and Microsoft implementation.
The mono team has done a great job, but their VM is lacking in terms of GC performance on large-memory footprints and various subtle threading issues (thread starvation, etc). I would hope that Microsoft's generational GC would be included in a merge of the Mono and Microsoft implementation.
Superb..... Feeling Great....
Now coding will be much interesting..............
Now coding will be much interesting..............
Wondering if this includes WPF? Windows.Forms support is already out there via Mono/Xamarin. WPF would just be kick ass! Super excited to run Nginx + Asp.Net MVC!!! Yessssss..... take that PHP!
Hi Scott
Are you thinking about making a real world application using vs2015 and xamarin that works on ios, android, windows?
Are you thinking about making a real world application using vs2015 and xamarin that works on ios, android, windows?
Very impressed with this, a positive step forward for the whole Microsoft developer community and something I am sure many of us have been waiting for (mostly to have an excuse to try out a shiny Macbook!).
What about Entity Framework supporting MySql or postgre in an official manner? that would be so cool.... sigh
Do not install on the same machine as VS 2013, for us it broke WebService generation and now ads Global in front of all generated code, see
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27535932/upgrade-from-vs2010-vb-net-project-to-vs-2013-upd-4-project-on-dotnet-4-causing
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27535932/upgrade-from-vs2010-vb-net-project-to-vs-2013-upd-4-project-on-dotnet-4-causing
I am very to know that visual stdio be a open source .
thanks microsoft company
thanks microsoft company
Does Microsoft plan on releasing a PPA for platforms like Ubuntu and brew formulae on OSX?
It would also be really nice if there was a new web site dedicated to getting up and running with the new technology once it's ready. Full documentation, simple tutorials and getting started pages. Take the Symfony, Node, Laravel, and other FOSS project home pages as inspiration. Get some nice layout done by your in-house MS designers.
Right now the current ASP.NET and any related .NET web sites aren't the greatest to navigate because they're more blog-style than authorotative docs (ideally under source control).
This is really great news, and I can appreciate that this is a slow ship to turn. Hopefully 2015 will see more people using the CLR and writing in .NET languages. But I think the key once you've done the technical work is to do the community and documentation work.
It would also be really nice if there was a new web site dedicated to getting up and running with the new technology once it's ready. Full documentation, simple tutorials and getting started pages. Take the Symfony, Node, Laravel, and other FOSS project home pages as inspiration. Get some nice layout done by your in-house MS designers.
Right now the current ASP.NET and any related .NET web sites aren't the greatest to navigate because they're more blog-style than authorotative docs (ideally under source control).
This is really great news, and I can appreciate that this is a slow ship to turn. Hopefully 2015 will see more people using the CLR and writing in .NET languages. But I think the key once you've done the technical work is to do the community and documentation work.
Will .Net Core 5 and it's cross platform versions support .Nat Native Compilation at some point? E.g. compiling to native code that runs on Linux, Max, or Windows (via separate build configurations)?
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