Scott Hanselman

it would be nice if they can make wmv version from dual streaming silverlight version available to download...

Silverlight is really starting to piss me off, 'cause I need to switch to different browser to view anything silverlight-enabled. Do you maybe have some information when will be Silverlight plugin for Opera released?

"On your right you will see a deck on ASP.NET MVC. On your left you will see our shepherd, the messiah, the anointed one. All who snuggle in those arms will feel the warmth of regular (non-RTM "No! We're never telling you when it will be released!") CodePlex updates."

Sorry Scott. Your pose in that still made me do it. ;)

"not for everyone"

That is the perfect excuse for not adopting it. How about throwing out that line.

ie. I never saw any marketing for Webforms that said 'not for everyone' It was more like 'this is the best thing ever and you can't be without out...'

c'mon, don't undersell the MVC :)

For some reason i cant get past 8.51 in the video. I have tried reinstalling silverlight but the video just keep freezing at that point.

Nice shirt Scott!

Steve,

MS don't need to sell MVC and they are right not to. Those who want it, already know they want it. For them, it's like being given a pint of cold continental lager, after spending years in the desert flaying themselves with a piece of rusty barbed wire. No more do they need to cower at the feet of another ALT.NET blog post telling them that "...documentation is coming soon, in the meantime TDD and StructureMap your Windsor before NHibernating all over your NUniting-HTTP". Now ALT.NET can stick it in their pipe and JQuery it.

Anybody with a lot already invested in ASP.NET *Classic* will not want to see Hanselman and Co. saying "ASP.NET MVC is the nuts. It's much better than ASP.NET and if you don't use it, you are so a Mort.". That would alienate the development community that has spent years getting to grips the the postback model and putting Page.DataBind() in every event handler they can find until the page works. Not to mention the fact that it would tick off all the companies that have a bunch invested in ASP.NET classic.

Of course, their is also the minor point that Scott is telling the truth. It is a choice and there are times when it is better to use one over the other. Oh and another thing. The MVC code is still pre-raphaelite (just past CTP) so they shouldn't sell it too much yet as they might get bored and start working on ASP.NET HAL 9000.

cruster,

yeah, me too.
I'm also looking forward for Opera support, I mean come on, it really is the best browser for your daily surfing.

@Pete

*Tongue in cheek mode on*
If Opera is not working on the site you are surfing....is it really the best browser for your daily surfing?
*Tongue in cheek mode off*

I undesrtand MS is trying to promote Silverlight, but I don't like they are doing it by not providing an alternative (i.e. downloadable content), at the cost of locking out some of the people (at least me) interested in what they are offering. That's not how the web should be. Silverlight should be about providing richer experience, not exclusive content.

@alberto

There are alternate formats available, there are links in top of Scott's post to those downloads.

@Andreas - We updated the files. Try again?

@alberto - Yes, there's downloads for iPod, Zune, etc.

@pete and @cruster - I'm looking into Opera support. I'll report back soon.

Hey Scott,

I agree with Steve, it makes it very hard to sell management on adopting the MVC technology when Microsoft is saying its "Not for everyone".

Having more choices is great, but should we consider an untestable framework (WebForms) a viable choice for new web projects going forward?

Josh - That's a valid point. I test my WebForms stuff using WATIN but WebForms not being easily Unit Testable is a problem that we're pushing to get fixed.

Great presentation!!

PS : I would really love Opera support for Silverlight too. It was promised back then when Silverlight 1.0 was launched.

+ 1 for Opera Silverlight support, please keep us posted on any progress there Scott

That would make an all singing & dancing Media Center on the Wii one step closer :-)

@Ryan and @Scott. I know, but it's not the same content you are talking about in the post. Maybe it's not totally correct to say that it is locking people out, but they are providing premium content just to Silverlight users.

@alberto - Sure, just as Flash provides premium content to folks who run Flash. How is this different?

There is a difference (not that I support it, but it's there). Flash Player is already present in 97% of browsers, IIRC, Silverlight is not.

Anyway, either using Flash or Silverlight (or javascript/AJAX), you should try to provide the best possible alternative for your users. That's what accessibility is about.

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Opera Silverlight++

I really hope you do come back with some news on that Scott.
I know it's rather of topic, but I can't get rid of the feeling that ever since Opera sued IE the silverlight4OP dev has been put on hold.

I really want to dig into the whole silverlight stuff, but as long as it's alienating most browsers, I don't think it makes much sence to invest any time in it.