Review and Comparison: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD and VX-7000 with High Quality Video in Skype and Live Messenger
I've owned just about every Microsoft LifeCam there Microsoft makes. My first was the LifeCam NX-6000 and I've been upgrading ever since.
I have been using a VX-7000 for the last year and it's a fine webcam. Best I've used, really, until now. I just picked up a LifeCam Cinema HD on Interwebs for ~US$60.
First, a quick disclaimer. While I work for Microsoft, I don't know anyone in this group and in this instance, I'm just a dude with a credit card and a camera. Any speculation here is mine and any mistakes are mine.
Ok, this is a really tiny camera. I think it was the barrel-shape of the glass lens mounted on the base but I pictured this thing as huge. It's not. It's petite. It feels nice as well. It feels well engineered, not cheap. It also has a nice little feat of engineering on the USB cable - a cable tie that actually works! Miracle of miracles.
Here it is mounted next to my existing LifeCam VX-7000 for size reference:
The VX-7000 has a 2.0 Megapixel Sensor with a maximum video size of 640x480. I called my friend using Office Communicator and did a standard video call and had him take a screenshot. The cameras were mounted next to each other.
The older webcam is on the left and the newer Cinema HD is on the right. Default settings were used with both cameras. Both calls are effectively 640x480 calls as there's no built-in 1280x720p HD in Office Communicator (yet, I assume.) However, it's clear that the contrast of the Cinema HD is far superior and oddly, it's just clearer. People have said they feel like it's HD, even though it's not in this example. This camera is fantastic in low light.
It's a 16:9 camera, and it has a nice wide field of view. Notice you can see my closet in the picture at right.
The Video Comparison
Here's a HiDef Video of the LifeCam Cinema HD. You can visit the Vimeo site directly and download the WMV if you want to get the REALLY high def file.
Here's the older 640x480 LifeCam VX-7000 as a comparison.
The Bad
You really need a fast machine at the higher resolutions, like true 720p HD. This is to be expected, but if you're doing to record 1280x720p you're going to need a multi-core machine (basically a machine that's newer than 3 years old). That doesn't make the camera useless for regular video calls, but it is something to think about if you're getting this primarily for its HD abilities.
That said, it's still fantastic at 480p and my laptop handles it fine. I suspect that this camera will just get better as software comes out to really utilize its abilities.
Getting HIGH quality video
It's a webcam, so it works in any Webcam enabled applications, but as for the higher resolutions, it's a bit tricky.
There's no checkbox inside Skype or any formal "we support HQ or HD and here's how." The same is true, so far, for Windows Live Messenger. People need great cameras for quality images, great bandwidth to pump the frames and fast computers to compress the outgoing video. If any one of these things doesn't work out then everyone loses, so I suspect it's easier for now to punt and wait. However, I'm convinced that HD video chat is coming. I'll dig in and report back.
Skype has been very quiet about what they call HQ Video calls, basically 640x480. For a while there was a thing called the HQ Video Hack which consisted of opening up a config file and forcing it to 640x480. There's even an 3rd party application (with source) that says it'll modify the Skype config file and enable HQ Video for you.
That said, on my QUAD proc machine, I was able to use the 3rd party editor above and force Skype 4 to do 800x600 and 1280x720. Of course, it was clearer when I stopped moving, but still pretty good. Thanks to Jeff for taking the screenshots. Skype took up TWO of my FOUR cores and worked them to 100%. It was unquestionably the local "squishing" of the outgoing video. My machine is fast, but with things like real-time HD video compression you can't have a fast enough machine, unless someone starts using the video card to do it...;)
In tests between Jeff and I we found that while we GREATLY prefer the 16:9 widescreen experience, that the difference in real clarity between 4:3 800x600 and 16:9 1280x720 was minimal, but the lag between audio and video for the true HD resolutions was at least a half second. This was so irritating as to be intolerable.
We found through experimentation that a 16:9 resolution of 960x544 was ideal. It gave us a buttery smooth frame-rate with the benefits of the widescreen aspect ratio and wider field of view. This worked great with Skype.
Here's some imagery of our tests. Note, these were all screenshots taken on Jeff's remote machine with video sent from my machine.
This is 800x600 via Skype:
This is 1280x720 via Skype:
Here's the same calls with the advanced Technical Info turned on showing the resolutions of each call .
I tried also with Windows Live Messenger, and cool enough it didn't require any hacks or funny business to get 640x480. As soon as I switched into Full Screen while taking to Brad Wilson there was a "You are now watching High Quality Video" overlay in the corner and everything just "got clear." So, Live Messenger is setup for 640x480 out of the box already.
I haven't figured out how to hack 720p HD support into Live Messenger like I did into Skype. I can only assume they'll enable 1280x720 at some point in the future. This is speculation, but it'd be a pretty obvious thing to do.
Here's a 640x480 call in Full Screen mode in the current version of Windows Live Messenger. Apparently I chew on my tongue a lot.
The Conclusion
While the software vendors aren't officially ready for a true Hi-Def video call and it'll likely require Quad-Proc PCs on both sides, it's coming, and this is the camera to use. Until that day, I'll still be rocking DVD quality 480p video calls.
Honestly. A 1280x720p Hi-Def WebCam for US$60? Seriously. Really. You know what you're getting for Christmas from me. Until The Next Big Thing comes along, there ARE no other webcams.
Related Links
- Skyping the Wife: Foolproof Video Conferencing with Your Family While on the Road
- Review: Microsoft LifeCam NX-6000
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- Will Video Chat ever work?
- Virtual Camaraderie - A Persistent Video "Portal" for the Remote Worker
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...Stefan
Stefan - Bummer dude. :(
If they'd used the same quality optics and electronics as for the standard one, the HD sensor would have been a complete waste of money, so everything else gets an upgrade at the same time. Ironically, they could have done all of that but left in a standard-definition sensor, and the results would end up being about as good...
You even see this in professional productions. Content produced for HD tends to look better at SD than content produced for SD. SD video is actually capable of better quality than most people think - given a high bitrate, competently encoded SD version of HD content, most people are hard-pressed to notice that it's not actually HD, unless it happens to be the sort of scene shown on HD demos that deliberately highlight the differences.
The main reason most SD broadcast video looks poor compared to HD is due to a low quality broadcast configuration that makes SD look much worse than it really needs to.
Fun blog post though.
the same in Greece dude! I found the camera for 66 or 79 euros. According to google currency convertion that is 97 and 116 USD.
Is this stealing or Google has a problem in currency convertion!?
Great comments as I am just about to return the VX-7000. For some reason the software would not work. It didn't recognize that the camera was connected to the computer - the camera did work independently with Skype. I contacted tech support at Microsoft and was pushed up the ladder to the "team" that has been dealing with the software issue. According to the tech this is a widespread problem even with the LifeCam 3.0 version, which we downloaded. Bottom line is that they told me to return it. The tech guy actually suggested I look at Logitech - so do you recommend the Microsoft Cinema over the Logitech QuickCam Pro 9000?
thanks,
Pat
I think I'm about to buy one right now, thanks for the excellent review.
Thanks!
here they are
http://www.guysfromqueens.com/?p=419
http://www.guysfromqueens.com/?p=409
Great post! I am very disappointed, that neither skype not MSN has REAL(!) HD support. The usual marketing b***sh*t. A big "F" for skype, they promote HD and high quality all over their website as long as I really want to find out how it works. Since that point, no info at all.
As soon as I grab a quad core server machine, I will test OCS R2.
On the Vimeo site there is only a mp4 version 1280x720@15fps!
http://www.filehippo.com/download_skype/6134/
I am thinking of using this little jewel for astrophotography. The barrel shape is perfect for adaptation to a focuser. In order to stack frames in Registrax, I need AVI output. Is this possible? Also, does the software allow manual focusing?
Another possibility is to remove the lens and focus directly on the sensor. Do you think this would be possible?
Thanks,
WWPierre
Frame Rate: I can't tell as the camera software doesn't expose it, but Skype technical details imply 15fps. When I make videos using their internal software I'm getting 15fps also. I haven't figured out if this is a limitation of my machine (slow?) or the camera.
Megapixels: Still captutres are 2880x1620 or about 4.5 megapixels. They aren't very clear so don't think this is a still camera. It's average.
AVI Output: The built-in software makes WMVs, but you can certainly get 3rd party webcam software and make AVIs.
SkypeHD: They appear to be trying to prevent us from doing this hack. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I know that the Microsoft LifeCam folks are trying to get it to work on as many apps as possible, but it appears from my perspective that this is a Skype problem (maybe political?) not a hardware issue.
Vimeo: I used the built in software to make a WMV that I uploaded directly to Vimeo.
Where did you get the Livecam Digital at $60 from who is Interweb?
can't find them, do you have a link?
R ang
Dmitri
Could you tell me what the audio is like? Would it be clear enough to run say voice recognition? My current webcam (A Logitech QuickCam) only has 1 channel 16000 Hz tape recorder quality sound and is no where near good enough. I can't find a specification for this cam's audio anywhere.
Many thanks.
Thanks for a great review!!
I was sorely disappointed.
The Video quality is BRILLIANT, don't get me wrong. The colours and everything are fine (I'd rather a warm orange/brown than a whitewash blue hue, due to the little white desktop light next to my computer) but if you want to record video with this camera, the audio mic built into it is atrocious. It's apparently a digital mic capable of recording quality like the Blue Microphone's Snowflake, but I would say definitely not.
You can use a different microphone in skype/msn video calls, but video recording with the lifecam cinema MAKES you use it's inbuilt mic, which you can hear the little staticy zooming/beeping sounds. In his video comparison of the Cinema, you can hear it, only slightly. The audio is being taken in by the mic on the webcam, not on the headset as it may seem.
I'm quite unhappy with the audio quality recording. I'm going to take this webcam back for now, and wait until they have one that has a decent mic in it.
For those who will encounter the same problem, NCH's debut video capture does quite well.
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I wish that that you'd posted this a week ago! Last week I purchased a Logitech Quick Cam Pro 9000, because I couldn't find any other alternatives to provide high-resolution support on Skype (sometimes Google is not your friend - it's hard to find answers to the simplest questions). The whole high-resolution thing on Skype is very poorly documented. Here in New Zealand if you go to the Skype online shop, they don't even list any WebCams that you can purchase with high-resolution support. Of course as you're aware from your visit here the broadband is so poor, it may not really matter! :-) My WebCam cost me around $105US, so you got a much better deal.
...Stefan